Trevor Neufeld: Sutter Awarded the Jack Adams — Candidates Next Season From the Affiliate

Thanks Trevor
Yes to Kirkland, Pelletier, Ruzicka, and Mackey
I really like Phillips but feel he’s just too small, plays bigger than his 5-6 frame, talent to burn, Calgary boy, just don’t see Sutter playing him.
We need a boost of enthusiasm.
Congrats to DS, well deserved.

Hopefully, they're impressed with enough of the AHL squad that they can move on from Zadorov, Gudbranson, and Mangiapane.

Hopefully, they're impressed with enough of the AHL squad that they can move on from Zadorov, Gudbranson, and Mangiapane.
- Squeaky

Hopefully, they're impressed with enough of the AHL squad that they can move on from Zadorov, Gudbranson, and Mangiapane.
- Squeaky

I refuse to give Brad Treliving a pass....period. Any one that watched Nate MacKinnon run roughshod over us in our playoff series with Colorado a few years ago knew we absolutely needed a shut down physical counterman. That issue was never addressed in any way with years to do so.
So what does Treliving do. He gives up three draft picks, one a second rounder, for Calle Jarnkrok about as close to being a shut down centreman as Donald Duck. Just for fun we gave up another draft pick for Ryan Carpenter. We played Jarnkrok to the bitter end even though it was clear he was bringing down the games of any wingers you put him with. What is even more infuriating is Eric Staal a big shut down centre was in shape from the Worlds, wanting a last shot at another Cup and available for free. Guys like Coleman and Toffoli would have come to life playing with Staal.
We all love Milan Lucic but he had one assist for the entire playoffs. In game four he never registered a hit. We find out later he was playing hurt. Why with your backs to the wall not bring up someone from the wealth of talent on the Heat, a Kirkland or a Jakob Pelletier? We have a totally beat up defence core that is struggling and a healthy Connor Mackey a prototype playoff style hockey player who hits and fights is not even dressed.
With or without Johnny change is in the wind for the Flames. Important moves will need to be made. Brad Treliving has had a good long try, and is a perfect gentlemen, but it is time to move on.

Hopefully, they're impressed with enough of the AHL squad that they can move on from Zadorov, Gudbranson, and Mangiapane.
- Squeaky

Mike Johnson commented a few months before PO's started that if the Flames had a few defensive injuries (Tanev etc)...that Gudbranson and Zadorov would get exposed if they had to move up in the pairings. Exactly what happened vs EDM.

Hopefully, they're impressed with enough of the AHL squad that they can move on from Zadorov, Gudbranson, and Mangiapane.
- Squeaky

Why would we want to move on from Mangiapane??

Why would we want to move on from Mangiapane??
- Nodwell17

Because there's a cap. There are enough red flags with Mangiapane that I wouldn't want to commit 5-6+ million on him long term. Dube is pretty much in the exact same spot as Mangiapane was 3 years ago. Dube and Mangiapane put up basically the same stats over the final two months of the season and both did nothing in the playoffs. The Flames are probably in a good position if you slide Dube into Mangiapane's spot and slide Ruzicka or Pelletier into Dube's spot. Mangiapane is also an RFA so the Flames get something back for him. A team probably overpays for him and the Flames end up with a prospect with Mangiapane upside and a pick.

As long as the Flames don't make any more stupid signings besides Gaudreau and Tkachuk, it also puts them in a fantastic cap position after next season.

Because there's a cap. There are enough red flags with Mangiapane that I wouldn't want to commit 5-6+ million on him long term. Dube is pretty much in the exact same spot as Mangiapane was 3 years ago. Dube and Mangiapane put up basically the same stats over the final two months of the season and both did nothing in the playoffs. The Flames are probably in a good position if you slide Dube into Mangiapane's spot and slide Ruzicka or Pelletier into Dube's spot. Mangiapane is also an RFA so the Flames get something back for him. A team probably overpays for him and the Flames end up with a prospect with Mangiapane upside and a pick.

As long as the Flames don't make any more stupid signings besides Gaudreau and Tkachuk, it also puts them in a fantastic cap position after next season.
- Squeaky

Funny how you compare Dube with Bread in the playoffs and come up equal. Bread with 6 points and Dube with 1. Dube only seems to produce on RW. I can get behind extending Mangiapane, since he's improved every year he's been here. Dube has almost the exact same p/gp this year as last year.

Taking out Dube for a moment, I would love to see a 3rd line of Pelletier-Rozie-Toffoli. Finally, a playmaker with Toffoli. And a C big enough to not lose the puck too easily.

Because there's a cap. There are enough red flags with Mangiapane that I wouldn't want to commit 5-6+ million on him long term. Dube is pretty much in the exact same spot as Mangiapane was 3 years ago. Dube and Mangiapane put up basically the same stats over the final two months of the season and both did nothing in the playoffs. The Flames are probably in a good position if you slide Dube into Mangiapane's spot and slide Ruzicka or Pelletier into Dube's spot. Mangiapane is also an RFA so the Flames get something back for him. A team probably overpays for him and the Flames end up with a prospect with Mangiapane upside and a pick.

As long as the Flames don't make any more stupid signings besides Gaudreau and Tkachuk, it also puts them in a fantastic cap position after next season.
- Squeaky

You say '' the Flames get something back for him''... if there is a good hockey trade out there for Mang I could support that but we sure as hell better get more than just something back. The guy had 35 franking goals with zero ist unit PP time so the return better be very significant or else why move him!

Funny how you compare Dube with Bread in the playoffs and come up equal. Bread with 6 points and Dube with 1. Dube only seems to produce on RW. I can get behind extending Mangiapane, since he's improved every year he's been here. Dube has almost the exact same p/gp this year as last year.

Taking out Dube for a moment, I would love to see a 3rd line of Pelletier-Rozie-Toffoli. Finally, a playmaker with Toffoli. And a C big enough to not lose the puck too easily.
- Traveldude

Why would we want to keep a 25 year old 35 goal scorer who didnt even play top line or get #1 PP time. Meh he just doesnt like him for whatever reason . I would rather extend Mangi at 5.5 or 6.0 mill on a 5-6 year deal than give Tkachuk 9.5+ on a 7-8 year deal. If you want to gain cap space, trade high & get a kick ass return, move Tkachuk to Ottawa or New Jersey. They have top 10 picks + some real good young players. Give Gaudreau his $10.0 mill & slide Mangi up to the top line.

Then I would talk to Yzerman & see if he still forgives Treliving for not doing that Bishop trade for that 6th overall pick & flp him Monahan & Kyllington for Bertuzzi & a maybe a 2nd or 3rd & see how he plays with Backlund & Coleman. Then we have plenty of cap to resign Zadorov & Guddy. Mackay can slide in with Tanev.

You say '' the Flames get something back for him''... if there is a good hockey trade out there for Mang I could support that but we sure as hell better get more than just something back. The guy had 35 franking goals with zero ist unit PP time so the return better be very significant or else why move him!
- DEDDIE

They'd probably be able to get back a Pelletier tier prospect and a pick.

I just don't think he's going to be a consistent 35-goal scorer. I see him sticking in the 20-25 range, which is also probably where Dube ends up.

It really doesn't help that they're stuck with the awful Coleman contract. That's the one that really mucks everything up.

Why would we want to keep a 25 year old 35 goal scorer who didnt even play top line or get #1 PP time. Meh he just doesnt like him for whatever reason . I would rather extend Mangi at 5.5 or 6.0 mill on a 5-6 year deal than give Tkachuk 9.5+ on a 7-8 year deal. If you want to gain cap space, trade high & get a kick ass return, move Tkachuk to Ottawa or New Jersey. They have top 10 picks + some real good young players. Give Gaudreau his $10.0 mill & slide Mangi up to the top line.

- Kevin R

Have you already forgotten what happened the season when they made Mangiapane a top-line player? It's not a matter of not liking him or not. It's about understanding the reality of the cap and when it's time to sell high and save some space. A line with Gaudreau and Mangiapane is going to get run over.

So your plan is to trade away the stars and fill the team with role players? Tkachuk is the kind of talent you build a team around. Mangiapane isn't. Sutter's not wrong when he talks about it being a learning process. You better believe that Tkachuk's learned that it's not a good idea to fight scrubs in every game to start your playoffs. I fully expect him to be good Tkachuk for the entire run the next time the playoffs roll around.

They'd probably be able to get back a Pelletier tier prospect and a pick.

I just don't think he's going to be a consistent 35-goal scorer. I see him sticking in the 20-25 range, which is also probably where Dube ends up.

It really doesn't help that they're stuck with the awful Coleman contract. That's the one that really mucks everything up.
- Squeaky

We have different opinions here Squeaky... Coleman had 16 goals in the regular season (not bad), the Backlund line with him on the wing had a very good playoffs, he's one of the few forwards we have that can play with pace and at 4.9 per I don't see that as a bad contract. Looch at 5.25, Vali's 1 way deal at 1.55 and Monahan being disabled by injury and making 6.375 are the real problems.

Funny how you compare Dube with Bread in the playoffs and come up equal. Bread with 6 points and Dube with 1. Dube only seems to produce on RW. I can get behind extending Mangiapane, since he's improved every year he's been here. Dube has almost the exact same p/gp this year as last year.

Taking out Dube for a moment, I would love to see a 3rd line of Pelletier-Rozie-Toffoli. Finally, a playmaker with Toffoli. And a C big enough to not lose the puck too easily.
- Traveldude

So Dube was on that 2018 world jr team that the nhl and Canadian government is now investigating. 8 players were part of a gang rape. Some have come out and said they had no part in it. Eventually it will all come out. Makar, Mete, Gadjovich, Foote, Fabbro and a couple others have already made statements.

So Dube was on that 2018 world jr team that the nhl and Canadian government is now investigating. 8 players were part of a gang rape. Some have come out and said they had no part in it. Eventually it will all come out. Makar, Mete, Gadjovich, Foote, Fabbro and a couple others have already made statements.
- TurdFergeson

Really ?
F OFF YOU POS

Really ?
F OFF YOU POS
- DEDDIE

You’re not too bright are you??

If he wasn’t part of it good on him. But he should be making a statement like others have that he wasn’t and cooperated with the investigation. If he was it is going to come out and he’s (frank)ed.

Have you already forgotten what happened the season when they made Mangiapane a top-line player? It's not a matter of not liking him or not. It's about understanding the reality of the cap and when it's time to sell high and save some space. A line with Gaudreau and Mangiapane is going to get run over.

So your plan is to trade away the stars and fill the team with role players? Tkachuk is the kind of talent you build a team around. Mangiapane isn't. Sutter's not wrong when he talks about it being a learning process. You better believe that Tkachuk's learned that it's not a good idea to fight scrubs in every game to start your playoffs. I fully expect him to be good Tkachuk for the entire run the next time the playoffs roll around.
- Squeaky[
Me thinks Mangi has grown his game from a few years ago. I dont recall him getting his chance with Lindholm & Gaudreau & at 35 mainly EVS goals, he absolutely should get a long hard look. His cost will be way lower than Tkachuk.
Dont get me wrong, yes I would like to keep Tkachuk but I totally expect him to price himself out of the Flames. We'll see.

You’re not too bright are you??

If he wasn’t part of it good on him. But he should be making a statement like others have that he wasn’t and cooperated with the investigation. If he was it is going to come out and he’s (frank)ed.
- TurdFergeson

Because there's a cap. There are enough red flags with Mangiapane that I wouldn't want to commit 5-6+ million on him long term. Dube is pretty much in the exact same spot as Mangiapane was 3 years ago. Dube and Mangiapane put up basically the same stats over the final two months of the season and both did nothing in the playoffs. The Flames are probably in a good position if you slide Dube into Mangiapane's spot and slide Ruzicka or Pelletier into Dube's spot. Mangiapane is also an RFA so the Flames get something back for him. A team probably overpays for him and the Flames end up with a prospect with Mangiapane upside and a pick.

As long as the Flames don't make any more stupid signings besides Gaudreau and Tkachuk, it also puts them in a fantastic cap position after next season.
- Squeaky

I think you are way off base. I don't see Dube getting anywhere near Mangiapane's production. Dube's value is all based on skating, he will never have the skill that Mangiapane has.

You are right, we do we some cap issues, but the answer isn't trading Mangiapane. You will never replace him with a trade. And yah he may not put up 35+ goals next year, but he has improved significantly year-over-year, so I wouldn't rule it out.

It's a good article, a lot of things in there that could happen. Keeping Monahan on LTIR is key. I agree with Kevin R, Tkachuk and his representatives, family will price himself out of the Flames and I still think Treliving will qualify and trade him in 1 month at the draft getting back prospects, picks, including a very high pick.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/...a-complicated-off-season/

It's a good article, a lot of things in there that could happen. Keeping Monahan on LTIR is key. I agree with Kevin R, Tkachuk and his representatives, family will price himself out of the Flames and I still think Treliving will qualify and trade him in 1 month at the draft getting back prospects, picks, including a very high pick.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/...a-complicated-off-season/
- drogon

Tkachuk is the one that scares me. Committing $10million ish long term on a player who is not a great skater would be a huge risk. A gutsy move would be to move him if they can get a decent return.

Tkachuk is the one that scares me. Committing $10million ish long term on a player who is not a great skater would be a huge risk. A gutsy move would be to move him if they can get a decent return.
- tincup

There’s no way the Flames should trade Tkachuk, unless the return is out of this world.Flames have to stop letting talented players with sandpaper play elsewhere. Sign him, make him captain.

There’s no way the Flames should trade Tkachuk, unless the return is out of this world.Flames have to stop letting talented players with sandpaper play elsewhere. Sign him, make him captain.
- K-man25

Personally you should move on from both Tkachuk and Gaudraeu. The return would be so good right now the club could be set for 3-5 years. No point in keeping players that don't want to be in Canada get JH to Philly and get Tkachuk to STL. Would be the sharpest move for the future at this point.